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Old 03-21-2017, 08:41 PM
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Please do not open tickets or request that staff merge guilds together. There is no such thing as a Guild Merge feature.

We do not transfer points, trophies, or anything else from one guild to another.

If members of one guild want to join another that is up to the members (individually) and staff has nothing to do with that.



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I just saw that "Fun and fab" & "Dress up challengers" merged. Will these guilds with 0 members and 0 funds be deleted from the directory? Or forever stay there?



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I just saw that "Fun and fab" & "Dress up challengers" merged. Will these guilds with 0 members and 0 funds be deleted from the directory? Or forever stay there?
We didn't merge per se, we just left one guild and went to another and changed our new combined guild name to something else.



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We didn't merge per se, we just left one guild and went to another and changed our new combined guild name to something else.


I know you didn't merge per se but, the question remains. What happens to those empty guilds. Do they remain there, completely inactive? Or will they be requested to be removed from the directory. I don't think it's right to have empty guilds.


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I know you didn't merge per se but, the question remains. What happens to those empty guilds. Do they remain there, completely inactive? Or will they be requested to be removed from the directory. I don't think it's right to have empty guilds.


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I agree that empty guilds should not be left out there hanging around and tying up a rank spot.

That's my exact point. They should be requested to be removed. I'm glad we can agree on this matter.


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Now there has been another merger. The funds from one being moved to another isn't right for fair play. My members worked hard for rank and having a whole guild with it's members and funds jump ahead without working for it creates Super Guilds. I think this needs to be looked into a little further as we aren't allowed to solicit members behind the scenes yet we can now negotiate mergers of whole guilds and their funds to jump over guilds for rank and members. I see a problem with these actions. But we shall see how it affects events. With Staff involved in some of these mergers it makes it hard to voice concerns. I try to stay out of the drama but am willing to speak up if I think the actions hurt game play and members.



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Now there has been another merger. The funds from one being moved to another isn't right for fair play. My members worked hard for rank and having a whole guild with it's members and funds jump ahead without working for it creates Super Guilds. I think this needs to be looked into a little further as we aren't allowed to solicit members behind the scenes yet we can now negotiate mergers of whole guilds and their funds to jump over guilds for rank and members. I see a problem with these actions. But we shall see how it affects events. With Staff involved in some of these mergers it makes it hard to voice concerns. I try to stay out of the drama but am willing to speak up if I think the actions hurt game play and members.
I completely agree with what you said Susan!



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We didn't merge per se, we just left one guild and went to another and changed our new combined guild name to something else.
I don't think that's accurate. If you look at the current DUC Fab homepage, it shows posts by you and bittey stating you "joined together". Considering that you are now the owner of record of the guild you just chose to join, along with the rest of your guild members, and bittey ... the former owner of DUC is now the deputy ... I don't know how you can stand by the statement (per se) that you did not merge. That is exactly what you did! (Look up the definition of merger.)

Also, didn't you manage to give over all your money to the other guild. Wouldn't the staff (of course, you are staff) have had to help you with that, as I thought there were limits as to how much you could allocate at one time. (I may be wrong on that, but I recall discussion about limitations.)

While it doesn't really matter what you call it, there are currently guilds joining together ... pooling resources, sharing leadership, and combining names ... with the lower ranked guilds giving up individual guild standing to make the move to the higher ranked guild.



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[quote=divaesque;4522956]What happens to those empty guilds. Do they remain there, completely inactive? Or will they be requested to be removed from the directory. I don't think it's right to have empty guilds.


I am in agreement that the Directory needs to be purged of all the "empty" guilds. I reviewed the directory today, and there are at least 10 that should be dropped, including the test guild. (Why do you need that any more and why does it have so much in funds listed?)

Most importantly, it is my opinion that the slots held by the former guilds, Amazing Divas and Fun and Fab, need to be deleted to free up those ranked spots. If its a matter of their awards and trophies .... just create an archived spot for past guilds. As fashionchallenged has indicated that the staff does not coordinate or participate in combining the guilds (funny that "staff" was involved in both. LOL!), these awards are never going to be moved, therefore they belong to nobody. You have to have an owner to create a guild; therefore, you must have an owner to continue a guild.

Furthermore, one person is not a guild, as guilds are created for persons with the same interest. An individual does not qualify for multiple people, and there should be some minimum number of members required to maintain Guild status.

I think it is time to clean up that Directory completely .... eliminating guilds without owners or members, or guilds that may have members but have not participated on Diva Chix or as a guild in years!



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The fair way to do it is for Anne or Catlover64 to buy the guilds in question (with their own funds). Leave the funds in the old guilds they are abandoning (like others have done) and ask your members to follow you. Bing Bam clean deal. I guess people will decide for themselves whether staff appearance in this situation has changed the protocol that has been placed on others to follow. And, in fact change the dynamic's of guilds forever.



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I'm been ignoring all this "guild merging" stuff until some questions were raised to me. The more I thought about it the more ticked off I've gotten. What is going on? I thought there were limits on how much of guild funds could be dispensed in a month? I thought we have pretty strict rules on guild member solicitation? I thought we could only "own" one guild (but we have someone currently owning two!:O) I thought if we wanted to give up our guild we asked that it be deleted with funds, trophies and points included or sold it to another DC member who paid from their funds, not a guilds funds?

The guild directory needs to be cleaned up and I agree that the "test guild" is useless these days. A guild with no members should be deleted and probably those guilds with just an owner and no members (I agree with Ellen that to be a "guild" there needs to be at least 2 people).

Do not say guilds aren't "merging" but just leaving one to go to another because that just isn't true when you leave your "old" guild to become "owner" of the new!

And most import to me. . .I'm sooooooooooo tired of these guild discussions taking place and there is absolutely NO input or feedback from guild staff!



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I don't think that's accurate. If you look at the current DUC Fab homepage, it shows posts by you and bittey stating you "joined together". Considering that you are now the owner of record of the guild you just chose to join, along with the rest of your guild members, and bittey ... the former owner of DUC is now the deputy ... I don't know how you can stand by the statement (per se) that you did not merge. That is exactly what you did! (Look up the definition of merger.)

Also, didn't you manage to give over all your money to the other guild. Wouldn't the staff (of course, you are staff) have had to help you with that, as I thought there were limits as to how much you could allocate at one time. (I may be wrong on that, but I recall discussion about limitations.)

While it doesn't really matter what you call it, there are currently guilds joining together ... pooling resources, sharing leadership, and combining names ... with the lower ranked guilds giving up individual guild standing to make the move to the higher ranked guild.
I don't see any rule that says that there's any limitations though.



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On this subject I am with Susan / blackpawz. These super guilds are questionable. We are not allowed to lure people to our guild, so how did it happen that all members of one guild decide all at the same time to join the same other guild? This rule must have been broken to do this. Further we have restrictions on how much we hand out in guild funds and transferring all to the new guild feels not right in this perspective. Last how can one member own 2 guilds? That is also at least a questionable thing. I think staf should set rules for this kind of thing and look into these merges and how they came about and if rules were broken.



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I don't see any rule that says that there's any limitations though.
The rule is in the management panel which a member may not see. It reads:

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It has always been an understanding that guild related matters were for contest and events created for fun by a particular guild. Not to move all funds to merge with another guild.



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The rule is in the management panel which a member may not see. It reads:

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You can distribute funds from your guild bank to any member or guild. Keep in mind that the funds should only be used for guild-related matters. All transactions are logged and viewable by all members of your guild as well as Diva Chix Admins.

It has always been an understanding that guild related matters were for contest and events created for fun by a particular guild. Not to move all funds to merge with another guild.
Do not get me wrong, there are many things about this that I don't agree with. But, this is not one of them. If a guild is to be dismantled why wouldn't the owner take all the money out of it?

Also, I read somewhere along this thread that this should be looked into because of the "lure of members" and etc.. Yes, you cannot lure members into other guild but that's not what's happening from my point of view. What happened was that both owners of AD and FF wanted to go to another guild and talked to their members to tell them they were welcome to follow them. That is not illegal. If I find it fair? Not at all. If I find it smart? Obviously.

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In answering this one statement. It is because it's never before been allowed. In the past new guilds were started or purchased (using an owners own funds). If this is allowed to stand as the new rule we as owners can guild grab to make our guilds strong in funds and membership. It's basically changing the protocol of how guilds operate. My reason for posting is to find out if this will be acceptable for all owners. I'm sure that if I were to say ask a much lower guild to come up to 3rd place jumping over many other guilds would that be okay?



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In answering this one statement. It is because it's never before been allowed. In the past new guilds were started or purchased (using an owners own funds). If this is allowed to stand as the new rule we as owners can guild grab to make our guilds strong in funds and membership. It's basically changing the protocol of how guilds operate. My reason for posting is to find out if this will be acceptable for all owners. I'm sure that if I were to say ask a much lower guild to come up to 3rd place jumping over many other guilds would that be okay?
I knew someone would get me wrong . My opinion about if it's right or wrong it's not relevant. What I meant is: you are a guild owner right, Susan? So, bare with me. Imagine all of your guild members leave the guild all of a sudden, you were left alone in the guild, and now you want the guild to be deleted...why should you leave all the funds there? I mean, would you? Leave the funds there?

As it being acceptable for other owners, is it physically impossible to remove all the funds within the guild by yourself? Have you tried to do that? (Honestly asking, really don't know if you can't really do it, or "you"(as in guild owners) haven't tried it before)



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I knew someone would get me wrong . My opinion about if it's right or wrong it's not relevant. What I meant is: you are a guild owner right, Susan? So, bare with me. Imagine all of your guild members leave the guild all of a sudden, you were left alone in the guild, and now you want the guild to be deleted...why should you leave all the funds there? I mean, would you? Leave the funds there?

As it being acceptable for other owners, is it physically impossible to remove all the funds within the guild by yourself? Have you tried to do that? (Honestly asking, really don't know if you can't really do it, or "you"(as in guild owners) haven't tried it before)
That wasn't the case in any of these transactions. All the guilds had members in the current transactions. In the past a guild was advertised for sale. I personally bought my guild when it was in 6th or 7th place. It had a handful of members that I'd never had any relationship with and some stayed and some left. Your hypothetical of only an owner left and would I take the funds? I have been here for years and have never seen that happen and in fact I thought it wasn't allowed. Mainly because what would prevent me from deleting all my members for the sole purpose of grabbing all the funds those members had donated. It wouldn't be ethical of me to do so. I understood perfectly what you posted and I responded.

Take my guild for example. We worked hard to make it to 3rd place and were getting pretty close with gaining members to take 2nd. Then along comes a whole group of members to the 2nd place guild and mega funds Only active members were kept by both guilds because the deadwood has been removed. Don't you think it would be hard for an owner to inspire your guild members to now work even harder to reach 2nd place with few members? It's not that easy.



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